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Klaas Holland · July 12, 2011, 06:01:22 PM

My wife and I were in Toronto the first week of June, but we didn't see any Paul.
I thought FF4 will be ready when we are back from Canada.
Can you tell us when you expect it to be ready???

Klaas

Paul Squires · July 12, 2011, 08:48:42 PM

...pretty slow with the summer here. Programming has taken a bit of a back seat at the moment. Hard to get 100% motivated.

There won't be an FF4 (at least not yet)... it will be FF 3.5 and will feature upgraded support for PB10 only and Jose's includes only, with code generation only compatible with that compiler. Eventually phase out all FF 3.1 support, focus on FF 3.5 and then finally build on FF 3.5 with many new features to justify a true upgrade.

Well, that's the "plan" at this point.

Klaas Holland · July 14, 2011, 01:29:43 PM

That sounds reasonable.
I don't use Jose's includes now.
Will this have effect on my older programs?
Is it better to start with PB10 when you have FF 3.5 ready?

Paul Squires · July 15, 2011, 11:10:46 AM

Quote from: Klaas Holland on July 14, 2011, 01:29:43 PM
I don't use Jose's includes now.
Will this have effect on my older programs?
Is it better to start with PB10 when you have FF 3.5 ready?

I fully intend to allow currently written FF3/PB10 projects to open in FF3.5 and compile/run without problems.
You can certainly wait if you feel more comfortable that way.

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Jim Clawson · October 04, 2011, 04:41:09 PM

Paul,
Now that its officially autumn, any update on the timeline for a FF3.5 you reference in your post? Thank you.
JimC

Paul Squires · October 04, 2011, 08:16:12 PM

Hi Jim,

I have some betas ready for FF3.5. I will clean them up and do a general release. No need to be holding on to this release too long. There are no real no features only better support for PB10, Jose's Includes, and code generation using Jose's cWindow class.

Paul Squires · October 05, 2011, 02:25:13 PM

...just working on a problem with MDI code generation in the new FF35 code generator. Should have the whole package ready to go this weekend.

Jim Clawson · October 06, 2011, 08:36:55 AM

Paul,
Thank you for the update. Greatly appreciated. Take care.
JimC

Theo Gottwald · October 07, 2011, 05:23:15 AM

Me too waiting for any new version!

Douglas McDonald · October 07, 2011, 11:39:26 AM

Sounds great

Robert Eaton · October 08, 2011, 08:36:41 PM

Quote from: TechSupport on October 05, 2011, 02:25:13 PM
Should have the whole package ready to go this weekend.

And with a day to spare!!!
Thanks Paul!

Rudolf Furstauer · October 09, 2011, 05:20:21 AM

Hi Paul,

thanks for the new version.
I work since 2 hours with the new FF without any problem - works great!

Rudolf FÃ¼rstauer

Douglas McDonald · November 05, 2011, 06:50:57 PM

I know this is a lot to ask but since FF4 will be a "NEW" version is there any chance to include a good debugger with it? I mean debugging directly out of FF4. At least being able to set break points, View Var's, step through code Ect.....

The other item would be a rewrite of the help. There is much that could be added.

I understand you are just one person and to even get this far is fantastic. I love FF3 / 3.5 Unfortunately I doubt the income form FireFly justifies the time it takes to add a debugger and I solute for the efforts you've made to this point. It's clearly a passion of yours. If it was just money I doubt we'd have even FF3. I wish many more PB users would see the 'light' so you could sell many more copies and afford to add a debugger and other cool tools. Maybe I'm way off base but that's my take on it.

Anyway I'll buy FF4 no matter what. It will be worth it!!!!

doug

Marc van Cauwenberghe · November 06, 2011, 05:23:28 AM

Hi Douglas,

You are not 'way off', I think there are many more people that think like you. I for one see so much more potential in FF.
Anything I can do to help to encourage Paul if fine by me. Money, sales campaign, his favorite football club winning, ...

Rewriting the help file could be something we could help in. Sort of wiki perhaps?

Regards,
Marc

Haakon Birkeland · November 06, 2011, 07:11:12 AM

PB could have made a better job in opening up for 3. party in general. As far as I know Paul even has to open a text/logfile from the compiler and parse the content to get compilation errors.

Making a debugger is apparently a daunting task that I don't quite see Paul diving into instead of addressing/improving other areas of FF. We do have zTrace and PB's Trace statments, so we're not totally depending on excess usage of MsgBox statmens as a debugger.

The best attempt we've had at a debugger was AntEater, but it has been gone for years â€" and so has it's author apparently.

Maybe we should investigate the potential in a closer integration with zTrace ...?!