Tom and PB header includes

[Paul Squires]

Have you guys read this thread yet?  http://www.powerbasic.com/support/pbforums/showthread.php?t=54154

I don't know what Tom's been drinking but my eyes went wide open in shock and disbelief!

Jose's header files are without a doubt the most comprehensive and PB centric set of include files available. Hard to believe that Tom would take a shot at belittling Jose's incredibly generous contribution to the PB community. PB should embrace these includes and make a deal with Jose to adopt them 100% within the official PB compiler package.

This better not be a sign of things to come. 

[James Klutho]

I had the same reaction.  His initial post of "Incoming Tom" was childish, along with his "Let's get funky with Basic" slogan on his website.  I do not see Powerbasic moving forward with this guy.

[José Roca]

Hi Paul,

How are they going to adopt as the official headers a set of mechanical translations not designed for PowerBASIC? Are you crazy?

Better use the ones written by Tom, the "King of the Mambo" (this is how we call in Spain a man that has a very high oppinion of himself).

[Paul Squires]

"King of the Mambo":  I will remember that phrase

James - I had the same reaction as you when I read his previous posts. I am not being inspired with much rock solid confidence in PB's direction. Tom is surely a good programmer but he will need a lot of help from the PB community to move PB forward... and throwing rocks at Jose is certainly not the way to accomplish that!!!!

I adopted Jose's include files 100% for FF3. Best decision I've made with FireFly.

[Michael Stefanik]

I adopted Jose's include files 100% for FF3. Best decision I've made with FireFly.

I've written about this elsewhere, but I think the best decision PowerBasic could make is write both you and Jose a sufficiently large check to make his the official header files, and have Firefly become the official IDE (if you were both agreeable to that). I think that alone would justify an upgrade, and it would be a leap forward for the product as a whole. Presumably it would also free up resources to work on a 64-bit version, but given Tom's comments about 64-bit development in general, I guess I wouldn't hold my breath there either.

[Elias Montoya]

...he will need a lot of help from the PB community to move PB forward... and throwing rocks at Jose is certainly not the way to accomplish that!!!!

Agreed 100%. Tom said he just wanted to get a little of Jose's attention, but im sure that is NOT the kind of attention i would like to get if the company was mine.

[Theo Gottwald]

I don't know what Tom's been drinking

I have always said that drinking alcohol was not good for PB Employees.
It was not good for Bob, and if Tom does not stop immediately with drinking,
the project he is going to start is going to fail.
Kick out "Jim Bailey" and "Jeff Daniels" they are the reason for the problems.

Also would suggest - and have always suggested - to concentrate their power on making a PB x64 instead of trying to redevelope the wheel that has already been done by Jose.

[Petrus Vorster]

Just a thought here.

If PB could get all the masters like Jose, Paul, Theo and so forth to do the same as the guys at Freebasic did, throwing together their skills and work together then nothing on earth could stop PB.
But if they kind of kick dirt in the direction of PB's biggest supporters then one is set up for failure.
Hope he loses the attitude very quickly.

[James Klutho]

Petrus

Unlike Freebasic, Powerbasic is a "for profit business" not a labor of love hobby.  Powerbasic would have to be willing to buy/license Paul's and Jose's work - assuming they were willing to sell.

Jim

[José Roca]

As far as  I know, nobody is currently working in the compiler, otherwise they would need the help of the beta testers, and I have the feeling that Tom is planning to try to sell some kind of tools for PB (no details know to me about what kind of tools).

[Paul Squires]

Jose, I agree. He did say in one of his posts that a couple of things were about ready to be released (implied that it wasn't the compiler itself).

[Michael Stefanik]

He also said there's a PB64 in the wings; I'm hopeful...

That Linux version is right around the corner too, so I've heard...

[Theo Gottwald]

 

[Roger Garstang]

How is Tom now declaring the headers as his?  I'm pretty sure he hasn't touched them in a long time.  Pre-IBASIC Tom might have done some good here, but I'd have more faith in Bob coming back from the dead or finding out his mind exists in assembly in some super computer before I'd trust Tom again.  Hopefully we at least get to a Version 4 of FireFly as I still use it when needed.  I'd even pay a little for one final upgrade.  Jose does more work on header files in one day than PowerBASIC did in 10 years on theirs.

[Marc Giao]

That's for sure but Tom still had to turn his nose up at Jose's headers    If he had any sense he would have said "thank you" and then asked for permission to use them instead of PowerBASIC's.

Jose does more work on header files in one day than PowerBASIC did in 10 years on theirs.